However, if you want to talk, then I will allow you the opportunity. I have removed my posts from an auto-post schedule, to allow you to do so without muddying the situation. However, do not take this as an indication that I will remove the blog.
I would like to address a few matters from your journal.
Okay, so I'm not the greatest guy in the world. I'm a sinner and I have flaws, as does anyone. I'm not perfect, I've got a short fuse a lot and I need to learn more patience,
Then we are not so different. I'm not asking you to be perfect. I know I'm not being particularly nice about this issue. There are reasons why. I cannot respect bigots, and despite your being able to admit your flaws, you strike me as a man with a large through fragile ego.
You do not take criticism well, and from what I've seen (when I could actually find criticism), it doesn't exactly get welcomed or treated with the respect its due unless liberally sugar-coated. You also have a fervid fanbase. Because of this, the wisest course of action was not to leave criticism on your page (I will point out that not everyone has a deviantArt account, and deviantArt does not allow non-member comments. There's no way for you to know if I even have that capability or not).
I covered this in an FAQ (theoretical FAQ), but I'm not sure you actually read that. So, I will cover it, again.
This was not an act of cowardice. This was a means of creating an open forum wherein criticism and anything that wasn't sugarcoated could be posted without being attacked by your fans, blocked because it was perceived as flaming or bashing, or get buried in the praise that seems to constitute 99.5% of all of the comments you receive.
Every character starts somewhere. And most of these have traveled, but they haven't been recorded as doing such. So most of their character bashing stuff is clearly out-dated.
So why not leave a comment saying as much and correcting matters? Alternately, why be bothered? Of course, from what I could find, there haven't been many significant changes that were not merely cosmetic.
Furthermore, I know I'm bad, but I honestly wouldn't call my posts flat-out bashing. You can disagree with that all you want.
But on the other side, others completely just try to rip at me, even by making my own characters act in ways I would never approve of - all for the sake of jabbing me. In the "Mockfic" called "A Roving Mind", they portrayed Ryo as a masturbater and with a secret love for Link! Enraging as this is, this is only the first bag of their knives they've thrown behind my back.
That piece was purely to mock your homophobia. I mock homophobia and bigotry. That's what I do. It isn't diplomatic. I admit I like diplomacy, but in some cases I will not use it. I know you're going to take it personally, because I used your character, but honestly, you could be anyone and I would have done it.
I won't apologize for it, however. I wrote the same kind of story for homophobes talking about 300. It's just what I do. Sex is a vulnerable topic for people, so I use it to make an impression. If there were a nicer way to make the same impact, I would have done it that way.
so if they were slamming my religion (whihc they did on several occasions)
Lying about us gets you nowhere. No one has attacked your religion at all, unless your religion is bigotry. Religion is not inherently homophobic and hiding behind your religion so as to avoid reproach is a disservice to all the Christians who are not homophobic or bigoted.
My critique to you is, that's cowardly. If you want to critique me, you can be constructive about it and you can note me personally on the specifics.
Please see the first part of this post.
Additionally, if you still insist it is cowardice, then it is no more cowardly than you making a journal on deviantArt instead of making a comment here.
It is no more cowardice than talking about getting this blog deleted while still saying that we should talk. What, you would have our blog deleted without actually speaking to any of us directly, simply because you're upset by what we have to say? I understand you being upset. I don't condone censoring us, especially if you're not even going to talk to us directly.
I don't hate you - I just don't respect you and I don't really like you. Hate is much harder to change than dislike or a lack of respect. I am open to having my mind changed. Talk to me and recognize me as a person.
If there's a way to make at least some things right, let's do business, not secret rallies. As you just read, I agreed with some of your comments on Brutus, so offers can be made. You don't have to throw knives at a picture of my head, you can try talking this out.
If we were holding some sort of rally (which we're not), then it is no more secret than your call to your friends for aid (which is more like a rally than what we're doing).
If you want to talk, talk to us here. If we did have any deviantArt accounts - and some of us do - then you would have to think us insane to post in open conversation where you've just thoroughly villified us - and partly, I might add, by misrepresenting us.
You can try talking it out. Or we can - meaning these people working on this blog AND you. We're not making any plea bargains with you. If you want to talk, it will be equal.
Comments are open here for people without blogger accounts. You can comment here and talk to us here.
et's make the hate stop. If not for us, let's do it for Zelly, my sweetpea. Please, for her, let's end it and move on.
My regards to the lady. It is regrettable that there was nothing I could do to lessen any hurt on her part. She was specifically not targeted because I did not feel it right. However, it is hard to go against someone and not put strain on that person's loved ones.
However, I will not be guilted into removing the blog for her sake.
Talk to me, Ryuu.
Alright, this is getting to a point where you guys just need to stop. There's a difference between constructive criticism and just plain out trolling. And just because he didn't come up with a method of creating characters like you did makes him a bad writer/creator. Everyone starts off somewhere, but in time they work on creating what they desire.
ReplyDeleteNow, his characters aren't some Sonic recolors like you tend to find all over the web (and even have funny YouTube rant videos about). Insult Christianity as a whole? Listen, it's his own convictions (and my own as well) that we aren't fond of certain things such as homosexuality because of our beliefs. When you point out how he didn't accept a gay character, it's because of our belief system. We have a right to do it, just as I would have a right to deny a person to play on our clan gaming server because they're using an improper name. When you own the site, you can do what you wish. Don't like it? Bring it up in a proper complaint to the person and work something out.
Not closed to diplomacy? Look at this entire website. Why would someone honestly want to talk to you when you have a blog about how much they fail at stuff? That's far from being civilized and proper, seriously. Think about it. Not everyone is like how you act. You can't know how a person will react.
You call him a bigot, which would mean he's intolerant of others. He's actually a pretty tolerant guy, and he doesn't go around making whole things to bash others. THIS is a prime example of intolerance. Just because he started out with his characters one way doesn't mean he's a copy-cat. If that WAS the case, it would be like one of those horrible "self-insert" Zelda fanfics that plague fanfiction.net with horrible writing and pathetic plot.
Now, why do you expect him to find this? What was your whole true goal in making this? Because first sight at seeing this, the only thing you really come across is a little gang of immature trolls. yes, there is some critique, but this isn't purely critique. If you wanted to do actual helpful critique, you wouldn't have used language that seems more of bashing.
He shouldn't have to come to your territory after the actions you've taken. Honestly, I say he shouldn't. Talk to him one on one or something, not on the internet for all to see where this can be some big side war. Those never end well.
Just my two cents on this matter.
"You call him a bigot, which would mean he's intolerant of others. He's actually a pretty tolerant guy, and he doesn't go around making whole things to bash others."
ReplyDeleteHe thinks gays are icky and wrong and he doesn't want to see them, and his only justification is through appropriating Christianity. That makes him a bigot. Like it or lump it.
"Listen, it's his own convictions (and my own as well) that we aren't fond of certain things such as homosexuality because of our beliefs. When you point out how he didn't accept a gay character, it's because of our belief system."
Then your belief system sucks.
Cry me a river.
Oh, I see.
ReplyDeleteHe has the right to bash homosexuals and practice biggorty because of his religion because it is his own site and can do what he wants with it.
This site does not have the right to call him out on it even though this is our site and can do what we want with it.
Except we can't because it's mean to do so.
There's nothing wrong with Ryu discriminating against people actively though.
Nothing is ever wrong when it's in the name of religion.
The next time I am discriminated onthe street, when my house is vandalised by bigots I shall smile to myself and accept that they are expressing their religion and be on my way.
I mean, what right have I to be offended? What right have I do do something about it?
It's not like I have freedom of speach or a blog to complain to myself or anything.
"There's a difference between constructive criticism and just plain out trolling."
ReplyDeleteThere is. However, I do not think we have yet crossed it.
"And just because he didn't come up with a method of creating characters like you did makes him a bad writer/creator."
No. Copying characters as a starting point, however, does. It doesn't matter how you pretty it up. It's a way to stunt creativity. It's a bad crutch and a bad habit.
"Now, his characters aren't some Sonic recolors like you tend to find all over the web"
No, they're not. Those characters aren't even worth commenting on.
"that we aren't fond of certain things such as homosexuality because of our beliefs."
I know plenty of Christians who have no problem with me, homosexuality, bisexuality, or anything else. I'm related to a few. One of them is a lecter in a Catholic church. One of them teaches Sunday School. Bigotry is your interpretation of your holy book.
"We have a right to do it, just as I would have a right to deny a person to play on our clan gaming server because they're using an improper name. When you own the site, you can do what you wish. Don't like it? Bring it up in a proper complaint to the person and work something out."
EXCUSE ME, but I did point out that IT WAS HIS RIGHT TO DO IT. I disagree and am criticizing his decision AS IT IS MY RIGHT TO DO.
"Not closed to diplomacy? Look at this entire website. Why would someone honestly want to talk to you when you have a blog about how much they fail at stuff? That's far from being civilized and proper, seriously. Think about it. Not everyone is like how you act. You can't know how a person will react."
I know. Actually, I assumed far worse reactions. I'm not an idiot. However, I have not made it a secret that I am willing to be talked out of keeping this blog up. However, you're not exactly being convincing, yourself. I won't hold that against you, because you don't believe I'll do as I say. However, if convinced, then I will.
You want me to see things from other peoples' points of view? See them from mine. It's a two-way street.
"You call him a bigot, which would mean he's intolerant of others."
He is prejudiced against homosexuals. He is intolerant of them on his site, when it comes to characters being gay. You can disagree with what I call him if you like. However, I will not change my mind.
"Now, why do you expect him to find this?"
It had to come up eventually. However, trolling would be shoving it in his face by sending it to him. Neither option was nice, but I felt this way was more polite. Laugh at that if you will, I don't care. You're not going to listen to me, anyway.
I did not expect to be listened to, even if I was nice. That is why I did not bother to be as nice as one of my best friends (Dr. Whatshisface, the adorable douchebag). I honestly don't think you would have listened even if I was as gentle as a lamb in my posts.
"What was your whole true goal in making this?"
See the FAQ.
"He shouldn't have to come to your territory after the actions you've taken. Honestly, I say he shouldn't. Talk to him one on one or something, not on the internet for all to see where this can be some big side war. Those never end well."
If he wants to, we will take it to any private venue we can, except for silly things like phones or in person - obviously those are impractical and stupid options.
However, it's safer here than over there, for both sides, I feel. I also feel its more likely for him to take up, as an offer, than offering pure private conversation.
"Just my two cents on this matter."
Thank you for offering them. I will consider some of your points. You do well by defending your friends.
I myself was the target of a particularly cruel troll on a forum who decided to take my entire fanfic and rewrite it with a bunch of crude sexual humor, so I know what it's like to be hurt by seeing what people say about your work.
ReplyDeleteNow, consider how old these characters are. Maybe once they were direct copies, but he's since worked on making them original. you're taking content from how many years back to point at? Characters change and evolve. Thank goodness mine have, although I'm far from creating perfected characters. It's not an easy process.
Bigotry is NOT our interpretation. We despise the sin of homosexuality because of what the Bible states it is. That doesn't mean we go out and hate the people who are gays. My own brother is, doesn't mean I hate him. I just don't like the lifestyle he follows. It's discomforting for those of us deep in our faith who don't like the act of homosexuality to have to have someone come into an RP we've put a lot of thought in with a gay character like that. I know I'd not like it were I in Ryuu's shoes. Bigotry is being hypocritical and intolerant of others. We as Christians are called to love others... but not love the sin. But we can't consider ourselves haughty and above others, because we are all the same in God's eyes: lowly sinners needing repentance. No one is holier than others (and Westboro Baptist Church is what I would call bigots).
Now, for him not wanting that character that is gay is just like me not wanting a character that I don't think fits in well with the story. It's my RP. I run it, I took the time to create it, I have the say on what gets accepted and what doesn't. If I don't feel comfortable with something, it's my decision to decline that application. It's like I have someone who comes into our CC servers talking about how much they despise Christianity or how they went out to get drunk/high. It's our place, our rules that such talk isn't allowed.
Of course, nothing impractical... but don't have it in a big place where everyone can see I say. That'd just make things worse.
I defend my friends, but I also don't just point fingers and yell at the other side without putting thought into the arguments. I'd rather see this ended peacefully and this place changed to actual, genuine critique-making and suggestions of improvement.
To Rinku:
Has he outright said that? Does he say he doesn't want to see gay people? Or he doesn't want that content in a story of his own creation that he worked on putting together?
Now, all you are coming across as is a troll now, saying our belief system stinks. At least Elf put logical thinking into answering, now just making some stupid statement like that.
To Moth:
You guys just love the word bigotry, hm? Read the definition and realize you guys are just the other side of the spectrum, bashing him and being intolerant of him for his beliefs. Everyone's a hypocrite... only a few actually admit it.
There's a freedom of speech... but there's also tact in choosing your words. All you're doing is bashing someone you don't like because you want to. That's nothing more than hate speech.
She-Elf, I'm glad you were more civilized than your cohorts in your replies, but like I said... I'd rather this not be a hateful, bashing place. You have the potential to do genuine critiques to help a person improve in their writing and character development. But when I first came here not knowing what I would see, the first thing that crossed my mind was that this was nothing more than bashing.
I did not know complaining about discriminating against homosexuals was a hate crime.
ReplyDeleteSo glad you cleared that up for me.
Sorry I can't be more tolerant for his beleif that my very being is wrong and lustful. I'll try and work on that.
"I myself was the target of a particularly cruel troll on a forum who decided to take my entire fanfic and rewrite it with a bunch of crude sexual humor, so I know what it's like to be hurt by seeing what people say about your work."
ReplyDeleteSo do I. Hell, I've had it happen in person, with a rough draft, by a friend (who I actually had a crush on) humiliate me with my work in front of her friends.
"Now, consider how old these characters are. Maybe once they were direct copies, but he's since worked on making them original. […] Characters change and evolve. [..] It's not an easy process."
No, it isn't. However, it's not exactly best to start a project off another's work. No matter what, it isn't exactly possible to fix that error. I did consider the age. I even post the dates on my critiques. I did minimal research - research is your friend and mine, too - and many of the characters have had no significant change, aside from cosmetic changes, as far as I can find.
"We despise the sin of homosexuality because of what the Bible states it is."
I've read expert theologians find reasons to believe that David and Jonathan were in what we would consider a gay couple. I've personally analyzed the popular verses for condemning homosexuality. The only verses that can be called definitive are in Leviticus. However, the word translated as "abomination" is a Hebrew word that also means "ritually unclean," and was also used in the context of meat for sacrifices.
It is your interpretation, because other Christians have interpreted the book differently. They are no less Christian than you are.
I won't give you a long lecture on homosexuality. However, the gist of it is that you don't need to be the Westboro Baptist Church to be a bigot. Calling homosexuality a sin is a form of bigotry. You want me to consider Ryuu's feelings. Consider how someone would feel if their parents had that rhetoric.
I’d share a personal anecdote, a tragic one, but I had to remove it because of a character limit.
I'm not saying Ryuu's "that bad." I'm saying it's still bigotry. It isn't a black and white matter. I don't believe religion excuses prejudice. For the record, it isn't a choice. I would know if it was, and I wouldn't have chosen to be what I am. It isn't sunshine and roses.
"It's my RP. I run it, I took the time to create it, I have the say on what gets accepted and what doesn't."
I never said he had to change it. It is his right. However, it is my right to bitch about it. I don't have to shut up just because it's his right to run his RPs the way he wants to.
"I'd rather see this ended peacefully and this place changed to actual, genuine critique-making and suggestions of improvement."
Do you honestly mean that? You would honestly listen? "You might mean it. You might. I'll pretend that you do." (Sorry, reading my favorite book series. I had to quote it. Roger Zelazny, Nine Princes in Amber).
As a token of good faith, presuming you mean it, I will remove the mockfic. This is a token of good faith, however, and I will save my copy and post it again, if I decide it isn't worth it.
I have been working on another rating system - more coherent and easier to understand. I might implement it. However, right now, my posts are all on hold while this is getting sorted out.
"She-Elf, I'm glad you were more civilized than your cohorts in your replies"
Some of us are more sensitive. Do not begrudge them this. If you want us to consider Ryuu's perspective, you must consider where others come from.
Cyber Moth has actually experienced a fair amount of abuse in the name of religious beliefs. Listen to what he has to say about his experiences before you judge him.
My own siblings did that in person to my writing. Was hard to get motivation to continue writing after my own family thought it was stupid.
ReplyDeletehe hasn't updated the bios yet. From what I've talked to him about, he's been working on some character revisions and changes at least. (Even I've meant to update a char bio, but just never get around to it).
Actually, I know how that is regarding homosexuality. My brother's gay. My parents are devout Christians. But we don't hate him because of it. I know a bit of how my brother feels, but he doesn't really confide much in me.
But I didn't come here for a theological argument pertaining to homosexuality. The thing is, other people try to interpret the Bible how they want it so they don't feel as bad about doing what they do. Everyone's searched for loopholes once in their life at least, myself included. Sure as heck feel guilty for that.
Thing is, your complaining about it has stirred up trouble and ended up really hurting the feelings of people. It didn't have to come down to this.
I honestly mean that. Heck, even I myself would enjoy some helpful constructive criticism on matters. If it's actually helpful (pointing out flaws and giving good suggestions of how to improve upon it), that would be great. The "Anti-Ryuu" image here is just overpowering.
Understood, and i probably shouldn't have come off the way I did. I just felt they were flaming me for my reply instead of having a genuine discussion. I still believe that whole flaming blog post about Ryuu's pride in being straight to be uncalled for however. We have our pride in our lifestyle and our faith. I'm not going to go into a war over that however. I didn't come to start a fight.
“My own siblings did that in person to my writing. Was hard to get motivation to continue writing after my own family thought it was stupid.”
ReplyDeleteI understand why.
“he hasn't updated the bios yet. From what I've talked to him about, he's been working on some character revisions and changes at least. (Even I've meant to update a char bio, but just never get around to it).”
Then he can correct me in person. I have openly stated, in the sue character sheets specifically even, that if I’m wrong, correct me.
“Actually, I know how that is regarding homosexuality. My brother's gay. My parents are devout Christians. But we don't hate him because of it. I know a bit of how my brother feels, but he doesn't really confide much in me.”
I’m not surprised he doesn’t confide in you. My brother, the Catholic, hates people who say homosexuality is a sin. One of his friends committed suicide because of her parents’ lack of acceptance. On top of that, most of her friends – including my brother – weren’t allowed at the funeral.
“But I didn't come here for a theological argument pertaining to homosexuality. The thing is, other people try to interpret the Bible how they want it so they don't feel as bad about doing what they do.”
I’d disagree, but you don’t seem willing to discuss it, so why waste my breath? Myself, I’m not a Christian anymore, because of that and other issues I thought were immoral in the religion. However, now that I’m no longer Christian, I can love the beautiful parts of the faith, more. Hell, I go to church more often as a non-Christian than I did as a Christian (I like to support my brother).
“Thing is, your complaining about it has stirred up trouble and ended up really hurting the feelings of people. It didn't have to come down to this.”
Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t. I can’t definitively say that people would have been nice if I was nice about it. I have my suspicions people would be just as against this blog no matter what the tone was.
“The "Anti-Ryuu" image here is just overpowering.”
I can’t say as we’re for him, but if we were really and truly 100% against him, then we either wouldn’t bother (why offer any criticism at all, even embedded in what you call rudeness, if we were against him? Criticism is an act of love) or we would just use the same tactics as Mystery Science Theatre 3000 – that is, quote his stuff and only supply mocking commentary.
I never lied. I currently don’t respect the man (my philosophy is to give respect until I have a reason not to, and I have a few reasons not to. However, peoples’ minds can be changed).
“Understood, and i probably shouldn't have come off the way I did. I just felt they were flaming me for my reply instead of having a genuine discussion. I still believe that whole flaming blog post about Ryuu's pride in being straight to be uncalled for however. We have our pride in our lifestyle and our faith. I'm not going to go into a war over that however. I didn't come to start a fight.”
You can post there if you want to. You are free to. However, that post was planned far before this, because of Rinku’s personal philosophies on straight pride. I won’t silence him. I have no control over his posts – neither do I want any.
Talk with him, perhaps, and try to understand why the issue is sensitive. If you like I can find links to the APA’s FAQ about homosexuality and the psychological reasons behind coming out and gay pride.
How was my blog post flaming, exactly? Because I pointed out the fallacy behind "straight pride"?
ReplyDeleteIndeed it was. Took a while to get over that, but they're my family. >> just can't wait to see if I ever get a book published.
ReplyDeleteThing is with my parents, we're not like "we don't accept you as our family member" like I know some can be. My gosh, he's our own flesh and blood. I love my brother, even if we do tend to bite each others' heads off (it's a sibling thing I suppose). There's a point where the intolerance can be horrible... I've heard of some pretty bad things being done that I don't condone. But with what Rinku said that I do hate my brother? That was even more uncalled for. If you know nothing of the matters of my family, please don't speak on them like that. I love my brother no matter what.
Some, perhaps so. People have different perspectives and interpretations. It's hard for things to be kept peaceful for sure. There's always those who just want conflict in any situation.
That is true... but some things just seemed to have been carried out in the wrong way. That's just how it seems like from my perspective.
I understand free speech and the right to it... but attacks like that can cause more harm than good.
No, that's fine. I dunno how talking with him will go, particularly since I'm pretty irked on his comment about my brother. I'd rather cool off than try to go into that with a hot head.
If you'd want to talk on an IM program or something Elf, I'd be glad to.
"Thing is, your complaining about it has stirred up trouble and ended up really hurting the feelings of people. It didn't have to come down to this."
ReplyDeleteDown to what? Down to complaining amongst ourselves about discrimination on the forum or you complaining on your complaining blog?
You already said it's his forum to do with what he wants, and you're right. He's made it perfectly clear that people like myself are not welcome there as they are.
So I am here instead.
Because there is not a "No Fags Allowed" sign on front.
...Alright, that part was a bit harsh and uncalled for.
"other people try to interpret the Bible how they want it so they don't feel as bad about doing what they do."
On second thought, I take that back.
Oh, and for the record, I don't need the Bible for validation for being as I am.
(But who knows, the rocks though my window may just turn me away from my sick lifestyle yet!)
"But with what Rinku said that I do hate my brother?"
ReplyDeleteMaybe you don't. Maybe you mean well. However, I will have to say that if my brother had a "love the sinner, hate the sin" mentality and I knew he thought my "lifestyle" was a sin, I'd probably feel that he didn't quite love me.
(I don't date. I'm a virgin. I swore a vow of chastity and I have exceptionally low sexual interest in people, by the way, so I don't know what homo/bisexual lifestyle I'm living.)
"That is true... but some things just seemed to have been carried out in the wrong way. That's just how it seems like from my perspective."
There's an example I read somewhere and I really wish I had saved it, because it's one of the most powerful things I've read, and I don't do it justice, but here it goes:
Two cultures existed that treated their dead with honor. One culture did so by eating, the other by burning. Both thought that the other group's actions were repugnant and immoral.
They sought out a wise man as a mediator, and he told them that the action was not all there was to it. They were both honoring the dead, and their intents and desires and purposes were moral.
Obviously, there are exceptions to this example, but there are exceptions to nearly anything.
My point is, sometimes you do have to look behind the action.
I understand your perspective, however.
"No, that's fine. I dunno how talking with him will go, particularly since I'm pretty irked on his comment about my brother. I'd rather cool off than try to go into that with a hot head."
He'll understand if you're mad. He's mad, too. I know he is - I'm talking with him, via MSN messenger.
And if you want to, I use MSN messenger, obviously, and you can contact me via jjest0r4_55@hotmail.com. Be forewarned, I have quicksilver emotions.
yeah. I'd feel guilty if my brother thought I didn't like him because of that. It gnaws at me. Never did have a strong relationship with either of my siblings, and I almost lost my bro.
ReplyDeleteI know you do, and I know sometimes it's pretty hard to when you have a mindset and are exposed to something for the first time.
No, I'm not mad. Don't want to be mad. It just really kinda irked me about his comment regarding my brother and his cussing me out. Doesn't mean I'm mad at him though.
And alrighty, I'll add you.
"It just really kinda irked me about his comment regarding my brother and his cussing me out. Doesn't mean I'm mad at him though."
ReplyDeleteYou dared to pull the "hate the sin, not the sinner" bullshit, and you're comparing religious discrimination on gays to being called a bigot, and said that we hurt some widdle feewings for doing so.
I'm being kind.
After reading Ryuu's journal I immediately came here and started reading and I'm using this comment as a general one. No I haven't read all of your posts but I feel I've read enough even though I'll probably read more later, and I find that you all have a very valid point you say he has skill but needs to improve yes he has great potential and has steadily gotten better as we all do and still has room to improve. You are all very right his "OC" are very obvious rip offs of other beloved characters which is how I met him in the first place I saw Ryuu and flipped. I really did think he misrepresented all of you you have had nothing to say about his religion only about his homophobia which I know for a fact from all the Christian friends I have and I even heard it in church that they welcome those of other sexual orientation. I was thinking of coming here and trying to reason with all of you about being better about it but you are all just say what you feel needs to be said in my opinion.
ReplyDelete"I was thinking of coming here and trying to reason with all of you about being better about it but you are all just say what you feel needs to be said in my opinion."
ReplyDeleteI must admit, I certainly wasn't expecting, ever, anyone who supported this. You surprise me. I don't know if it's an altogether pleasant one or not.
I do agree that, in some ways, we were misrepresented - the biggest way was saying we targeted his religion. However, I do realize that most of us are abrasive - I intentionally so, for a number of tactical reasons.
I don't blame him, really, and I do admit there was one moment where I honestly did cross the line - I removed that mock fic. I do not regret my intent behind writing it, but I regret that it cut deeper than I intended it to.
Still, it does feel nice to know we are not universally vilified (even if I may, perhaps, deserve it, for some things). Thank you.
Frankly, I thought it was pretty funny that Ryuu spun it the way he did. Talk about aiming for maximum sympathy.
ReplyDeleteWhat the She-Elf said. Thank you for that, Shadow.
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ReplyDeleteThank you, I suppose, stranger. If you find this place again (I just recently changed the URL, under new management), then you're welcome to continue looking about.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure about us having met before, but I did send you an email just in case you don't find this comment.
It's probably best you don't send PMs to anyone - both because you appear to have mistaken for someone else and because if you fear being so spied on (though I honestly couldn't say if he would go to that level, or not - I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt), then it isn't worth it.
And thank you for the fact. At least that is confirmed.
Actually, you cannot get into a person's account to read their PMs on Invisionfree forums. I admin several of them, and I went looking through the admin control panel myself. We can only read Email logs sent through the board... which is going into the person's profile and clicking the button to e-mail them. So not only is he not a person to do such a thing (in my eyes), he's also not able to.
ReplyDeleteIt went straight to his head? Ryuu doesn't think he's the best ever... he knows he isn't, either. He doesn't think of himself as perfect.
Wow, I never knew he hated Homosexuality like that(just so you know, I support homosexuality, yaoi, yuri and the like).
ReplyDeleteDid you delete the Roving mind Fanfic? Because I can't find it. If you didn't can I see it?
Thank you. :3
"Did you delete the Roving mind Fanfic? Because I can't find it. If you didn't can I see it?"
ReplyDeleteI did, out my politeness because ultimately, it did involve a fan character that did not belong to me. It is not the best work, anyway, and I would think it rude to show it while trying to solve matters diplomatically with Ryuu.
Thank you for your comment.
Ah, I see what you mean.
ReplyDeleteI hope you two discuss this out.
And you are welcome.:)
Stormsworder: This is the anon you replied to. Actually, I've adminned a load of them as well. It's quite possible.
ReplyDeleteChange the member's password to something easily to remember, get in, read everything, have the member assume they just forgot the password and send a password request. Or if they knew it, change it back. It's quite easy.
Like I said, I can't remember who did it for certain. It was a while ago and I'm old and senile; I make allowances for this, as I never claimed I was 100% sure it was Ryo: I said it MAY have been but I couldn't remember. Selective reading. You may want to get that checked out...
I never said he thought he was the best there ever was but there's been numerous documented instances where he was lording it all the hell over other members because he's "considered a great RPer" at other peoples' forums. There's evidence that goes back to '06, I've seen. At least.
But from where I sit, after HIS OWN FORUM voted him the 'Best RPer' award, (which is of course unbiased in the extreme... But not), things went real south real fast, and I'm not even sure how he can function in the real world if he reacts like this when things don't go his way.
I was expecting massive bashing the way he wrote that journal. I didn't the fanfic, but what's left looks aboveboard to me.
The fact is, he cannot take constructive crit well at all and decides it's bashing. Personally, I'd kill for some crit on some of my less-suck characters, as I know more than a few of them genuinely blow and REEK of Mary-Sue (especially the older ones) and the ones that don't have been gutted so many times it's really not even funny.
People tend to put time and effort into these and I'm sure he's put SOME effort in to at least a few. But... He has one character that's a blatant ripoff of Ivy Valentine, for chrissakes. "Isabelle Camaran. Venom Thorn." Costume description is Ivy's second player from Soul Calibur II. He didn't even make an attempt to disguise it.
It's lazy as sin and even that aside, I don't even want to think about how close that is to a copyright law violation. That is my problem with him: he can't take crit after ripping off god only knows how many characters and then runs sobbing to his fanhordes for 'reassurance.'
I know that was all probably a bit poorly worded but god almighty, I can't grasp why you all support this guy.