Ryuu has been recognized as a homophobe by other people. In fact, he has been trolled for it. In a thread titled Innervision, best char eva lel, someone from another forum trolled Ryuu with a gay character.
Below are the character sheet and Ryuu's reply.
(I was going to correct all of Ryuu's spelling, but I decided not to, after correcting innervision's title-thing. Note that Ryuu changed that to explain why innervision was banned - Ryuu actually wasn't stupid enough to not notice that throughout being trolled.)
 Posting for the sole purpose of spamming and attacking the admin | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 05:39 AM Name: Innervision Gender: Male Age: 24 Hight: 1m75 Weight: 60 kg Physical Description: Tall and slim, very handsome with grey eyes. He wears the same clothes as gorons. Walks slowly despite his muscles. Quite strong but he can aslo dodge. Personality: Very pensive. He is in love with his boyfriend Mermano who is a strong blacksmith who makes his weapons. He thinks about him when fighting. Power(s): Lethal cat Upside to Power(s): Invokes a tiny cat daemon that attacks with its claws (lasts about five minutes) Downside to Power(s): Can be done 'bout once a day (takes lot of energy) Strengths: Very charming. Weaknesses: Not very clever. History: Born 24 years ago amongst the gorons - brought up there, and left at the age of 16. He's been wandering in Hyrule since. RPG Style: Zelda kthx |
Ryuu Atrineas Son of the Goddesses | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 08:36 AM This description is way too vague. I'll need a lot more detail than this. Appearance, History, and maybe a combat weakness. He is in love with his boyfriend? Erm... May I suggest not to have that, please? |
Even if it is allowed in his rules, it is strongly discouraged to be gay. This is to such an extent that if you TRY to take the opportunity, the admin actively discourages you.
For comparison, I've seen character sheets that copy powers from Danny Phantom get approved without question.
No, surprise, Ryuu isn't the only one on his forum to commit character theft - and some are even more painfully obvious and direct than he is, if you can believe it. (Seriously, look at that character sheet. Damn!)
Likewise, he doesn't question Hylian Halfdragons, and his only problem with a character called the "new Hero of Time" was that the history wasn't detailed enough.
To target the sheet because of homosexuality, then, seems ridiculous. Let's read some more.
Posting for the sole purpose of spamming and attacking the admin | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:14 PM I'm sorry 'bout the short description... I can add more things in the appearance section, but really, he's been nothing till now, so there's no more history to add. I'll start working on the first one yeah!! But what's the problem? I mean, your character is in love with Zelda for instance, so I guess it's fine!  |
| Ryuu Atrineas Son of the Goddesses | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:17 PM You could add things like, certain events to his life. Things he did in childhood. And... can I ask why his name is Innervision? That sounds morel ike a nick-name than a real name. Yeah, but Zelda is a girl... big difference. |
Because being with someone of the same gender as you are means that you can't love, or that your love is weird. Homosexuals don't love the same way as heterosexuals - that's why we must treat them so differently and why they should stay in the closet!
Posting for the sole purpose of spamming and attacking the admin | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:32 PM His name, Innervision, comes from an archaic language of Hyrule, spoken by half-gorons centuries ago. Litterally means: Piercing Thoughts. Well, girl, boy... no real difference tbh, i mean, we're open minded now. |
| Ryuu Atrineas Son of the Goddesses | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:35 PM Half-Gorons...? Okay, now there's part of your history you need to write out to help explain this. I would prefer not to have homosexual characters, please. If it isn't a 'must', I would like for him to be straight. |
"I mean, if you can control your strange homo ways, that is."
It isn't up to him, what other people decide to do for their characters, now, is it? If isn't against his own rules, so he should just shut his face. But, sadly, Ryuu can't shut his face, because gay people are icky.
I mean, even one in love with another man would obviously go around committing infidelity by hitting on Ryuu, who is also in a committed relationship. I mean, gay people have no concept of relationships or cheating or the fact that some people aren't gay!
They just hit on all men all the time, just like all men hit on all women and all women are supposed to be attracted to Ryuu's misshapen, bulging body.
And then someone proves that Ryuu used to have homosexuality banned, by saying that he got angry to "get this done" - assuming a rule change (I shall amend my previous entry on the rules, later, to update it to this information).
Gunz And Beanz Sergeant Geuze reporting! | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:37 PM Here I join in the conversation, seeing how I took the trouble to become angry and not think before my actions to get this done: Guidline 6: Homosexuality Though we do not deny you the right to create such a character, please be aware that others may be offended by such an act. We wish not to make any members uncomfortable, so if you do wish to make such a character, please refrain from any inappropiate behaiors. NOTHING keeps him from making it, as long as it stays out of the RP. If it's in the background, there shouldn't be any problems. |
This lad is a creature of sound reason. Really, the fact that he got mad at the rule to the extent that he says he acted without thinking makes me like him. Well, not so much that he acted without thinking, but because he cared that much.
Posting for the sole purpose of spamming and attacking the admin | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:37 PM The part 'bout half-gorons isn't really linked to his history, that was centuries ago. But I don't understand... you aren't homophobic, are you?  |
| Ryuu Atrineas Son of the Goddesses | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:43 PM It would still help for us to understand. Yes, Gunz, I am aware that it's not prohibited, but I want to know if it has to be there. From what I know, the people who actually RP here in the zelda section (Princess Zelda and me) are disturbed by that. So, if this just isn't an option for you, I'd like to lay down a couple of extra rules for you specificly. Namely, please do not flirt with male characters of other people. I can't say anyone will like you if you do this. And if you can minimize such... activity, it'd greatly be appreciated. |
Yeah, I'd want to know what he would say if it didn't "have" to be there. I'd also want to know how that's defined... In my mind, if a character is a homosexual, he/she is a homosexual. That's it. A character isn't magically not gay just because it isn't on his character sheet.
Would he try to have it taken off if it wasn't "necessary"? What if I thought his blatant heterosexuality with Zelda was disturbing? Because, to me, it really is. Not because heterosexuals are gross (hey, some of my best friends are heterosexual!), but because Ryuu's just... gross.
The character, I mean, since I don't know what the real bloke looks like.
And, really, does he honestly think a character in a committed relationship is going to go around flirting with dozens of people? Either way, it's bullshit to impose extra rules on the character, since those rules are not set up for anyone else.
Why should straight people be allowed to shove their heterosexuality in everyone's faces?
Posting for the sole purpose of spamming and attacking the admin | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:45 PM Are you really disturbed by homosexuality?  This post has been edited by innervision on Oct 25 2007, 03:48 PM |
| Gunz And Beanz Sergeant Geuze reporting! | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:47 PM The fact alone that you are still trying to let your own opinion rule made me remember my anger. Nothing prohibits him from making it, nothing forces him to lay it down. Inappropiate behaviours can be interpreted in different ways, but I THINK that would be relatively clear... And yes, innervision, he is. |
| Ryuu Atrineas Son of the Goddesses | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:47 PM Yes, I am greatly disturbed by it. I'm not afraid to say so. |
Okay, I really like Gunz And Beanz. He has... moxie. Moxie's a good word.
Of course, there's obviously no problem with implying he's a bigot, being disturbed by homosexuality. The guy outright admits it, himself. He shouldn't be afraid to, really (hey, I'd rather know who the bigot is and keep an eye on him than let him sneak up on me). Still, it boggles my mind how someone could say that.
I don't mean to use one of those old arguments, but I think it fits: change "homosexual" to any ethnicity of your choosing, and see how well you support someone saying he's disturbed by x ethnicity.
Slayer X ZEJ L.04 | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:48 PM Ryo, I believe, is a Christian. Therefore, it'd be hypocritical of him to not be disturbed by homosexuality. *LMAOs at how this will most likely turn into a huge debate* |
...so... all the Christians who aren't bigoted homophobes (what a redundancy!) are hypocrites?
...why did I think of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, just now?
And then, the troll makes a reasonable comment - no, too short to be an actual comment. More like a note, like a post-it reminder - about Christians being able to respect "non-Christian" (as if there are no gay Christians) material.
Oh, and Ryuu's girlfriend makes a pointless cameo.
Posting for the sole purpose of spamming and attacking the admin | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:51 PM You can be a christian and respect people's tastes actually... We're no longer in middle age you know. |
Princess Zelda Princess of Hyrule | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 03:51 PMQUOTE (Slayer X @ Oct 25 2007, 08:48 PM) ^ This. |
| Slayer X ZEJ L.04 | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 04:02 PM The Bible's pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong. What the hell have middle ages got to do with anything? Oh, and why are you silly people debating over the sexuality of an RP character with a poorly written bio? |
Why are you commenting uselessly on a discussion of what is essentially, no matter how minor it may seem, bigotry?
And I disagree on the Bible being "pretty clear" on that. I've looked at every verse that could be interpreted as being against homosexuality, and I'm certainly not convinced. The only one that you could even argue as definitive is Leviticus's verses, and those are cleanliness laws (the word for abomination, in Hebrew, was also used to discuss meat for consumption, for example, and means unclean as well as abomination).
Also, if you're not going to follow the other laws in Leviticus that also call shellfish abominations and wearing clothing made of two different fabrics, you shouldn't use Leviticus.
But we're not here to discus the Bible. Oh lord, that would be even more painful.
Posting for the sole purpose of spamming and attacking the admin | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 04:07 PM Middle ages are a reference for intolerance. And according to the bible, your mother should wear a veil, like muslims, so I doubt you really want to do everything that's written on it. Moreover, it's also said that the world was created in a few days... which is totally opposed to Darwin's theories of evolution... |
*Snort*
The Middle Ages have a bad reputation. I wonder if people realize how much homoeroticism and homosocial behaviors are in Medieval literature.
They need to read SirGawain and the Green Knight. There are six gay kisses in that story. And I don't mean non-gay man-kisses, either. I mean the words used were...ah...
He clasps then the knight and kisses him thrice,
as long and deliciously as he could lay them upon him.
That's from Tolkien's translation, and Tolkien's is, as far as I know, regarded as one of, if not the most accurate modern English translations. That's why his translation was specifically assigned in my Medieval Culture class.
Contemporary society would probably have a lot more to say about those kisses, if that were contemporary literature. Ryuu is less tolerant than the "middle ages."
Please do not insult that which I love.
| Ryuu Atrineas Son of the Goddesses | Posted: Oct 25 2007, 04:10 PM Let me make a few points to all who are reading this. And also note, I am speaking as the creator and administator of of this site. 1. I created this forum and I am the head of it. I rule this place with Princess Zelda at my side. Ought we have our say as to what is allowed and what isn't? I should hope you would think we have that right. After all, wouldn't you want to say what your rules and regulations are if this were your place? Think about that. 2. There are those of us in ZEJ who finds the same sex intimate relationship quite disturbing. However, I do not believe anyone is against the straight path. Man with woman... it's how the circle of life works... think about it. And even so, I believe the vast of us are straight, so we'd best not want to make everyone else uncomfortable, yes? Just a thought. 3. This topic is meant to be about a created character. Shouldn't we focus mainly on that? I am just checking if this particular quality is a must. Now, let us please return to this proper subject, lest this topic be locked without a verdict on the character. The point is, he needs more details in his bio before he can be accepted, and if he must be homo, please do not persue it with other characters. |
Ryuu certainly does have the right to be a bigot. However, that doesn't mean he's guaranteed that no one's going to call him out on being a bigot. In fact, advertising the fact would be advertising for trolls, if his forum weren't half dead.
I mean, the Stormfront forum (a popular racist forum quoted often on Racists say the Darndest Things - I don't recommend reading that if you don't want to be searingly angry at racists) have the right to say no non-white people are freely welcome to post, since its their bigot forum. Still, that doesn't mean that people aren't going to just say 'ho hum' and let it be.
Again, I love how he can create a gay character, but he has to not act gay in any way, basically. Because "people" (he and his girlfriend) are "quite disturbed" by it.
And then a fellow with the screen name Sam reveals the troll for what he is - not that being a troll means Ryuu's not a bigot, but still - and the thread ends there, with banning. Ah well. Such is the life of a troll - especially a troll who can't keep his mouth shut on other open forums.
Sam What!? | Posted: Oct 29 2007, 07:36 PM Nothing to be debated about. Timoo's doing this. Innervision IS Timoo. http://www.raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.ph...=225436#p225436 He even gave himself away here. (Just so some of you know, Timoo insulted Ryo at Rayman PC to make him leave, well, it worked, and I guess he wanted to bug Ryo more.) |
Yeah, this table format didn't work as well as I would have liked. I'm going to stick just to blockquotes in the future. However, I already wrote the html and I'm too lazy to change it.
... I know this is rather old, but to let you guys know... Gunz and Beanz was really a male.
ReplyDeleteHe was "Rikko" at ZEJ, until he and Zizmo got banned for getting rather angry at Ryo for having the rule against gay people. I can't remember exact details, and since the boards are offline, I have no way to reference back.
Pity.
Whoops! Thanks for the correction, I fixed it in the article.
DeleteI remember when that happened. I didn't really know it was because of that specifically, I did know it was that they got tired of the enforcement tho.
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