However, our anonymous friend forwarded me a note from Ryuu.
Because we're not all working together on the same effing deviantArt account, I'm posting this here for everyone else's perusing. Transcribing this thing was physically painful.
Frankly, dude, you took a huge gamble sending this to the kind anon alone when you know other peoples' deviantArt accounts, whether or not they're on the blog roll. You're lucky it paid off, as I rarely talk directly to either the good Doctor or Rinku, the She-Elf isn't on the blog roll anymore (though I'm fairly sure she'd pass it on to me) and I was not one of the original contributors here. As such, I have an email for this kind of thing (ryuusubmissions [at] yahoo [dot] com). May wanna consider using that next time. Actually, please do, as I don't do email spam. I'll post a proper response within a couple days but for now I'm just getting this heads up out here, because we know you're reading.
EDIT- Whoa. Okay, Ryuu. That's a cheap shot. You call us cowards but you copy and paste the journal you posted to DA to Pirate Community and don't even bother trying to approach us face to face? I'm willing to talk if you are. Seriously, though? Way to mislead people. Doing this on DA is actually what got me to go see what happened. And then I started contributing. Just tossing that out there.
We have NEVER ONCE ATTACKED YOUR RELIGION. We have never once called you dumb. You're trying to make this into 'they hate me because I don't like yaoi'. No, actually. I hate yaoi. This has more to do with your complete and total intolerance of the LGBTQ community and to a degree your intolerance of other religions. We HAVE said you're a bigot. Because you are. We have said your characters are complete and total canon character ripoffs. Because, again. They are.
You seriously need to grow a spine, deal with this shit on your own and stop lying. I feel bad for the people you're misleading, my god.
ONE OF THESE THINGS
DOESN'T BELONG HERE
Transcript as per usual:
To all party members involved (Pirate Community and Zelda Epic Failure Bloggers),
Things are starting to get out of hand with this little war that's going on. I understand that there are many factors about me that you all despise to high heaven and I also understand that it's probably not going to change no matter what I do. I have read your Q-and-A on the site and I know that it is set in your mind that I'm the scourge of the internet. You hate me, you hate what I do, you hate what I say and you really want to let the world know how much I apparently fail as a human being. Alright. [sic] I get that. But if you'll bear with me, please hear out what I'm going to say and offer. You have demanded diplomacy from me to settle this before, so I would like to expect the same diplomacy in return (with minimal cursing if possible).
And I make this offer not for myself, but for my sweetheart. This is the first and foremost issue. If you're going to hate on me, then please just hate on me. Leave my sweetheart out of this petty war. She doesn't deserve to be caught in the hate or spam simply because she's associated with me. I'm the one you want, not her. If nothing else, please just leave her be.
I know I have apparently done something of great offense to you, so if there is something I can do to make it right or at least ease the pain, let me know what it is that I can help. I wish this trade of my cooperation to mend damage caused for keeping my sweetheart out of your cross-hairs [sic].
With that done in the forefront, now I wish to carry on to the main situation, that being the overall hate going on. I know that to some more than others, things I have said and done have effected[sic] you all differently, yet all in a negative way. I know why some of your[sic] don't like me, but not why for all of you. What I suggest is that since I have made you all upset, I can try to make amends for what has happened and maybe ease the pain of what time has been scratching at. Is there something I can do to lessen the resentment? It's one thing to just not like me but it's another to take such action. With the resentment this serious, I'd like to open my hand to you and offer to at least attempt to make things right.
I know to some, it's my stance on certain issues and I do apologize for harsh words on my part that made you feel as though I was bashing you. It wasn't my intent to make you feel personally assaulted, though I confess my lack of tact would make me come off that way. Even under coaxing did I back off on my forum rules to even begin to allow such things to accommodate [sic]. I will continue to mature and take things on a more even level towards another's [sic] beliefs, but I ask that the same step is made towards me and my beliefs.
To others, I don't really know what you have against me. Those at Pirate Community have been at me for so long, I don't even remember what started it. I can assume my immature stubbornness when I was younger played a role. But I'm trying to be better now. Still, if an accommodation can be made, I'd like to know so this conflict can cease or at least the pain of past events be eased.
That is my offer. I want this to end for us all. It's not worth it in the long run. Do you really want to look back on your life and think of how your time in this stage of life was so dedicated to hating someone? Let's find a way to make a truce and end the outbreaks of hate. None of us need any of this conflict in our lives. So let's figure something out. Please.
Praying our conflict will be put aside soon,
- Ryuu-Atrineas
Oh, it seems you got something. I still stand with "If you still have any preconceptions about Ryo after that, just talk to him yourself"
ReplyDeleteOh, yes. Yes, I totally want to converse with an arrogant, passive-aggresive, guilt-tripping, fundie liar.
DeleteHe's coming across as a major douchebag. And then he claims he wants peace and sics you all on us? Um... Yeah, I don't buy it, dude. I get enough of this crap from my family. I know this type too well. There's no reason I'd choose to expose myself to more of it.
u afraid?
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DeleteIt's so irony I've gotten metallic poison. Really, I'm dying. Call an ambulance.
Delete'U' can't be afraid. As u is a letter and not an animate object. Silly.
Delete'Metallic poisoning' is also not a diagnosable illness. Try again later. Learn to proofread, thanks, as your grammar is horrific.
I actually thought it was pretty deep. I didn't think of it as him being a douchebag. What made you think that?
ReplyDeleteI don't know how familiar you are with passive-aggressive guilt-trip type behavior, but I'm far more so than I'd like.
DeleteThe fact that he leads off with demands and snotty remarks when he's in the position of someone who supposedly wants it to stop? Yeah. That.
And the fact that he can't just say I'm sorry but needs to justify it with a thousand excuses is a trademark of an insincere apology. I'm a psych major. I know these things.
There's also the fact that he tries to emotionally manipulate us (and he's pulled this before, he even did it to you when he pleaded for help) by trotting his girlfriend out as a reason for us to stop.
His entire tone is just insincere and manipulative, and he clearly doesn't understand how he's angered us. I just... I'd love to believe it, really. But I just can't. I've had too many experiences with this sort of thing.
I should also mention that he sent the note to a person who's only a commenter here. So we didn't even hear about this thing till a week after the fact.
DeleteAnd I'm not too sure how familiar you are with passive-aggressive trollblogs.
Delete"I can try to make amends for what has happened and maybe ease the pain of what time has been scratching at. Is there something I can do to lessen the resentment?
ReplyDeleteWith the resentment this serious, I'd like to open my hand to you and offer to at least attempt to make things right."
Well I liked it because of this quote. You say that he is just making excuses and it seems more like an insincere apology. Well, he has said that he would do what you ask, so why not say "I want you to apologize for insulting me"
There. What else do you want?
Now he hasn't posted here, I know. I am guessing because he is afraid of how to confront this. The guy is worried about this, but he tried to handle it, somehow... But he did say Zelda was also worried. I don't think he was just talking about her.
Also, I don't find anything wrong with his tone. Not that I really want to have everyone affectionate and go "Awww I'm sowwy".
I feel his tone is just his character.
Precisely. In all essence, this webpage is like a "mother," telling you what and what not to do, and patrolling your life too far. Are you guys now going to document what he eats for breakfast?
DeleteSurely you know that, instead of spreading the hate word (and thus gaining support from mostly blind people) is far worse on your part than if you just let others discover it for themself. And when they do, it's their choice whether or not to hate it or not. No need to tell people what to think, mother.
That's exactly right. It's their choice whether to hate it or not.
DeleteBelieve it or not, we assume people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds.
We're not saying people need to stop liking Ryuu. Voicing our opinions and posting them publicly is not a dictatorship. We're not forcing you or any other being to read what we write. You're free to leave at any time. You in particular add nothing to this discussion and apparently don't even know the word 'dictator', so you're especially welcome to screw off somewhere.
Shit me, going from 'we're posting our opinions' to 'we're gonna be the next Mahmoud Ahmadinejad' is an absolutely fucking ridiculous leap. I can't even try to comprehend the lack of reason it takes to get to that point. Thank you. You've made me lose even more faith in humanity.
That may be, but I'm proud to not contribute. Why on Earth would I want to contribute to such a waste of a blog? I'm sure you have much better things to do than humiliate someone for no other reason than... for no reason at all. Or maybe you don't, I'm not you, so I wouldn't know.
DeleteSomeone with your apparent intelligence wasting it on such a pointless blog.
When you say you are "loosing faith in humanity," is this how you deal with it? I think you need some anger management, or else find some other way to get this imminent rage against Ryo out of your system. You're doing it completely wrong.
You realize, by commenting you in fact ARE contributing? You're adding fire to the continuing 'war', in his words. If you really want to help him out, honestly? You should probably back off and let the blog die. It's done so twice.
DeleteIf he's humiliated by this, he's in no way going to be able to handle reality. We have never once insulted his religion, his intelligence or anything of the sort. I admit to some name-calling but frankly, he's been called worse than a dick before.
He's a grown man. He can easily choose to ignore it. Instead he wrangles it so he has you all doing his dirty work for him, which is absolutely repulsive to me.
I was raised to believe that the proper way to handle this sort of thing was between the person who started it and the person on the receiving end. I've offered him repeated chances to contact me and put and end to it. But he's not taken me up on any of them. I'm not entirely unreasonable.
While I appreciate the compliment (backhanded though it was), how much time d'you actually think I spend on this? I'm curious, as several people have said that already.
No, this is how I kill some free time. It's a slow weekend.
About that? I'm actually a pretty happy individual. I have a family that loves me, the greatest friends possible, an adorable dog and a warm bed. Bluntly, Ryuu is such a contemptible person I don't have any 'imminent rage' directed at him.
This doesn't mean I'm pulling bouquets of flowers out of my colon about the fact that people want him to get a free pass for his bigotry because 'oh, he's Christian'. I'm not going to let that ride. From him or anyone else. And why should I?
For the sake of transparency, I did at one point say that if his religion says that it's okay to be a bigot then his religion is shit (because, frankly, it would be shit, what kind of fucking morality is that? Who the fuck would justify such behavior if it didn't involve gay people?), but that's not even close to saying that Christianity is shit (because craptons of Christians don't feel the need to be a bigot and in fact think it's anti-Christian to be so) nor is it anywhere close to the accusation that we're making fun of him BECAUSE he's a Christian. Both of those accusations are gross misunderstandings of our position, if not outright lies.
DeleteRyuu is the one who feels the need to justify his bigotry with religion, no doubt under the assumption that doing so will somehow win him immunity from scrutiny and criticism, and he does Christianity a huge disservice for doing so because he turns it into a safehouse for prejudice and hate. Not to mention it makes him look like a stupid chickenshit who can't own up to his own damn behavior. Unfortunately, he's dealing with someone (me, at the very least) who doesn't believe that religion is untouchable and grants people a free pass to be stupid.
So, perhaps, if the wish is for me to not insult his particular religious beliefs, then perhaps he shouldn't be throwing it on the table and trying to justify himself with it. Because, to be perfectly frank, I really, REALLY don't give the slightest shit about this weird notion that we should be nice to people's beliefs if, and only if, they happen to involve a god.
Oh, but look at how "Westboroish Baptistish Churchish" we are! I find it kind of weird that people are free to insult their religious beliefs, but we're not allowed to criticize anyone else who justifies blatant bigotry with a god.
I might believe it if the offer hadn't come after he'd found out we'd started the blog back up again.
ReplyDeleteWhy I don't trust him?
-He's given insane amounts of excuses (textbook example of a 'better get my ass outta this' apology)
-waited till (as I said) he realized we were posting semi-regularly again to try and offer an olive branch
- has cut contact twice when he thought he was in the clear in the past, only to resume contact when he realized we were not amused
- instead of shooting off an email offering a discussion (I've not hid the thing, my god) he ran and brought all you guys into this
- He copied and pasted a nearly two year old deviantArt journal and also outright lied by saying we were mocking his Christianity and calling him dumb.
- tried to emotionally blackmail us via guilt trip by trotting his girlfriend out as a 'PLEASE STOP YOU'RE MAKING HER SAD'
- He's using cheesy movie dialogue. I'm sorry, I can't believe anyone who uses the phrase 'I'm the one you want, not her'.
To me? He's proven himself to be insincere, manipulative and untrustworthy.
It's his call if he wants this to stop. My blog-related email, again, is ryuusubmissions@yahoo.com. I refuse to give out my actual email as I'm not psychotic enough to think that's a fantastic idea. But those are my conditions. He initiates contact and he uses that email.
In regards to Lady Zelda, if she wants this to stop, she needs to convince Ryuu to send me a damn email and discuss this. His guilt trip doesn't affect me, as I'm not 'going after her' because she's associated with Ryuu, it's because her characters suck and if she doesn't want them showing up on Mary Sue blogs and the like? She either needs to rebalance them or scrap 'em or just stop posting them online altogether. Sad but true, as I've seen Serenity on at least two unrelated Tumblrs. I can't do anything about those but I'm willing to discuss this, at least.
Honestly, his tone was bratty, pompous and outright snotty, especially the first paragraph. If that's 'just his character' then I frankly don't want to know him anymore than I already do. Snottiness is not a good quality when you're writing a note claiming you want this all to stop, and if it happens again? Feel free to warn him, as I'll dismiss everything straight out of hand. I have no patience for being talked down to.
And I still don't know why you make this such a big deal. Out of all the art newbies that have ever existed that are much more interesting to make fun of, you pick Ryo. I just can't comprehend how you came about to doing this, unless it's just something to occupy your time.
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