Of course, even if he did make a religion out of bigotry, even if homophobia was an intrinsic part of Christianity, to insist that criticism of such is "slamming" is ridiculous, and borderline offensive. Any religious belief used to justify discrimination NEEDS to be called out. Bigotry NEEDS to be brought to light. Just because you insist that it's a religious belief doesn't, and shouldn't, protect it from criticism, especially if it encourages discrimination against human beings. And, yes, bigotry is deplorable and makes you worthy of being ridiculed.
Thus comes the topic of Ryuu's "Straight Pride".
Ryuu's comment:
Very true, I must say. We straight people don't get enough love. There's all this gay-promotion going on and for the most part it's like society's trying to make it look like... well, let me quote your comment, here...
"What is this? Let's tolerate gay people but give straights a hard time?", end quote.
Exactly my thoughts.
Where's the straight love? I'm glad to see something like this. Thank you, much!
Where's the straight love, you ask?
Look around you. It's everywhere.
See, Ryuu suffers from a common affliction known as 'straight privilege'. It's one of many forms that 'privilege' can take, along with 'male privilege', 'Christian privilege', 'cisgender privilege', and 'white privilege', to name a few. A sign that someone is afflicted with privilege is the assumption that their trait, because it's shared by the ruling majority of the population, is the "normal" and "default" trait. Because of this, they are benefited in society by simply having these traits, often without being aware of it.
No one bats an eye when a man talks about his wife or girlfriend. A cisgender woman has no second thoughts when she enters the women's restroom. There's no shortage of straight people in the media, and everyone is assumed to be straight until further notice. This is a result of privilege, and it's why "straight pride" is a ridiculous concept.
Straight, heteronormative people don't have to think about their sexuality or their gender -- that is, until a minority group shows up.
Ryuu comments:
Man x Woman? Yes, please! Thank you for posting this!
Why does Gay Pride exist? Because gay people (and LGBT people in general) are discriminated against, simply for being gay. They're told that being gay is shameful and wrong, that it's abnormal, and that they aren't deserving of the same rights as straight people. Sometimes they're mocked and intimidated for being gay, and sometimes they're physically beaten or killed. Gay Pride is a response to such treatments, as a way of saying that there is nothing shameful about being gay, that diversity is a good thing, and that gay people are just as wholesome and normal as the rest of the population. It's a way of fighting back against a campaign that aims to push them back into obscurity.
Straight people don't have to deal with this. There is no campaign trying to push straights into the closet. There is no underabundance of straights in the media. Straights don't have to worry about being fired, or beaten, or killed for being straight (unless, of course, they're mistaken for a gay person). Straight parents never have to worry that their children will be taken away from them because of their straightness. Being straight, in this society, is something that they never have to think about -- until they see a gay person.
This is why nobody has "straight pride," except directly as a response to "gay pride". It's not about being proud of your sexuality, but about putting gay people back in their "place". It's about insisting that the spotlight never move from the straight person. It's about belittling the discrimination that gay people regularly have to face. It's about silencing the minority.
It's like a child asking their parents why they have a Mother's day and a Father's day, but no Children's Day, and his parents say that it's because every day is children's day.
You don't need to remind people that you have rights.
You don't need to fight to be treated like a human being.
You don't have a reason to be proud to be straight.
When you're kicked out of your home, beaten, and treated like shit for holding hands with someone of the opposite sex, then you can go around parading this crap. But until then, shut the fuck up, you never had to do anything to be accepted. It's like being proud of having fingernails.
"The most important political step that any gay man or lesbian can take is to come out of the closet. It's been proven that it is easier to hate us and to fear us if you can't see us." --Amanda Bearse
Of course, Ryuu and folks like Ryuu claim that heterosexuals are discriminated against all the time. After all, even we "slammed" him and called him a bigot. Oooh, shame on us. We called a bigot a bigot. Just like all the other anti-gay people are "slammed" and called naughty names.
Frankly, even if we called him a bigot unjustly (and we haven't), if being called names is the worst that he has to deal with, he's doing a pretty damned good job. Either way, that's certainly not an assault on his heterosexuality, nor is it bashing Christianity. He only had to remember his religion and his sexuality for a moment, and then he could merrily go on his way, not having to worry about the consequences of mentioning that he has a girlfriend. And I'm willing to bet he'll have forgotten about his "straight pride" until the next time he's reminded that gay people exist.
I've watched Ryuu on dA for a little while now, and to be honest had I known he was such a homophobe I probably would have blocked him off the bat. I cannot, I repeat CANNOT stand discrimination of any sort, especially over sexual orientation, because it is so easy to get away with. People will call you out for calling somebody a racial slur with the intent of being offensive (which, don't get me wrong, is still horrible) but if you call a homosexual person "fag" or "queer" with the same intent, most people won't even bat an eyelash.
ReplyDeleteHe can be whatever religion he wants, I believe in religious freedom, but religion is never an excuse for hating another group of people. That's like saying the KKK is in the clear because hating any other ethnicity or religion is part of their religion.
"I cannot, I repeat CANNOT stand discrimination of any sort, especially over sexual orientation, because it is so easy to get away with."
ReplyDeleteNeither can any of us.
To his credit, he has never (to my knowledge) called anyone 'queer' or 'fag.'
He has, however, said it was disturbing and doesn't like it around him. In instances on his forum, he states that it isn't against the rules to make such a character (though, he'll ask if its 'necessary'), any homosexual characters have to limit such "activity."
Of course, that Ryuu has never used epithets doesn't make it any better (I know that's not at all what you're saying, She-Elf. I'm just using that as a talking point). It just makes his bigotry slightly more palatable, by using "polite" words to express his hate. That's, incidentally, why complaints about tone sometimes irritate me.
ReplyDeleteHe's still singling out gay people as icky and uncomfortable and offensive, and he very clearly wants no part of them.
I find it especially aggravating when people use religion as an excuse to be bigoted, because it not only gives them a feeling of justification for being bigoted (one that's extremely weak, in my opinion), it also implies that since it's a religious opinion it's suddenly above scrutiny and is never to be questioned. Screw that. Everything can be questioned, and rhetoric that intends to hold down groups of people should ESPECIALLY be questioned.
So, yeah. Ryuu's claims that it's his religion to hate on gays, and that we're bashing it by pointing it out, doesn't help his position any, nor does it make him look better, and it's pretty telling that he used such a tactic.
I was honestly not wanting to say anything, but I feel I need to.
ReplyDeleteNo, Ryu has never called homosexuals by slanderous names, not in the year or so I've known him and talked to him. And no, he doesn't hate them either. He just feels uncomfortable being around them, as do I when I see a homosexual pair kissing each other in front of me while I'm walking on the sidewalk on campus. of course, I can't stand to see that from straight crowds in public places either. It's just a feeling of being uncomfortable and unsettled when we're around something we don't necessarily agree with. You're quote of saying "Ryuu's claims that it's his religion to hate on gays" is rather unfounded, because he doesn't say he hates gays. He just feels uncomfortable around them. If he hated them, he'd slander and call them despicable words and act out in violence against them. Don't compare the fact that we just feel uncomfortable with the truly hateful rhetoric of those who beat up homosexuals and graffiti their dwellings with horrible words.
Um.... He's openly harassed people who tried to have gay characters, even if they aren't "kissing and smooching on campus" as it were. He feels uncomfortable around gay people? Why? They're PEOPLE. Because his "religion" says he doesn't have to accept them as such? What if I told you that I belong to a religion that doesn't accept black people, would that give me a valid reason to be uncomfortable around black people and kick them out of my website just because they're black and not doing anything else out of the ordinary? Seriously, I want an answer from you. Would it justify me saying "Hey, um, I know you're black and all, and that's kool and all, but could you please, you know... get out of my apartment complex? I'm not comfortable with you. Even if you just bleach your skin or something, that'd be fine too..." if I said I had every right to be proud of being white?! Huh?! Would it?!
DeleteYou should have gone with your first instinct and not said anything. Just like Ryuu. We're sorry he's uncomfortable with gay people, but like I said: That's not an excuse to openly denounce them.
Hey, I get that.
ReplyDeleteI mean, the only way to show hate is spitting bile and smacking them with baseball bats.
It's not like people can express their dislike of an entire group of people other way through any other way.
(Explicit exclusion and IMPLIED hints that you are not now and will never be welcome are just signs of being benign and loving, you know.)
Ryuu tells us to fuck off because he cares SO much, yanno.
ReplyDeleteHe's clearly concerned for our troubles, which is why he thinks straight people aren't getting love if the world isn't STRAIGHT PEOPLE STRAIGHT PEOPLE STRAIGHT PEOPLE at ALL times.